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How One Lender Is Losing Money – A Lesson In P2P Lending Diversification

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This page was last updated on 16 June, 2018

This guide page is to:

  • Describe to you just how incredibly powerful it is to spread your money across lots of high-quality loans.
  • Offer guidance on how much diversification you need.
  • Give you tips on how to go about doing that and how to lower the risks even further.

How not to do P2P lending

Here's a true story. A lender put £1,000 into Funding Circle, which does loans to small businesses. He complained to The Guardian that he had so far made £115 interest after costs, but had outstanding bad debts of £128.

The bulk of the bad debt came from a single loan. The lender had put a whopping 10% of his £1,000 into that loan.

Luckily for the lender, the situation is likely to be temporary. Firstly, he will continue to make interest on his good loans for years to come.

Secondly, Funding Circle said it expects to recover enough of the bad debt on his large bad loan within a few months to put him back into profit. Indeed, it is typical for many kinds of lending that some loans go bad early on. That might worry amateur lenders, but, provided the P2P lending site knows what it's doing, recoveries and interest earned over the following months and years is expected to make up for that.

But that's not what you should be learning from this story in The Guardian:

What's important about this story is that you make it far easier to lose money if you just lend in a few loans. Putting 10% of your money in just one loan to a small business borrower is simply too risky and misses the point of money lending.

On the flipside, if you spread across lots of quality loans, it is very difficult to lose money. More on that in a moment.

Let's put it this way: if you had money in an account at a very small bank, and that bank lent 10% of all deposits by its account holders to one borrower, would you be happy with your bank about the risks it was taking?

Of course not. A few bad loans and then a recession, and you might have to face a run on your bank. That could be pretty nerve-wracking for savers.

The same standards apply to ourselves as individual lenders.

The absolutely extraordinary protection you get from spreading your money around

Very loosely speaking indeed: if you lend to just one single, individual borrower, right at the moment a very severe recession kicks off, you might have a 10% chance of losing 3/4 or more of your money. (Assuming you are not covered by a reserve fund that has enough cash to pay the bad debts.)

And that's if we're talking about a high-quality, prime personal-loans borrower.

It seems to us that not many people want to have a 10% chance of losing most of their money. That sort of risk is not what P2P lending is about.

However, the maths changes completely, in our favour, when we lend to many borrowers:

If you lent to 100 borrowers, each similar to that first one, the risk now of you losing most of your money in a severe recession falls to less than 0.0000001%. And we've deliberately missed off some zeroes.

Indeed, it's now more realistic to say you have a 10% chance of losing 10%-20% of your money. Any interest you earn on the good loans over the years will help offset that further.

That is a lot better. Your stock-market investments during a severe recession have a far, far higher chance of doing worse than that. Which is appropriate, since the stock-market is generally higher-risk, higher-reward than money lending.

It gets better

Those odds might still not be good enough for you. Prime borrowers are supposed to be low risk and paying relatively low interest compared to, say, lending to property developers.

You might want to reduce the risk further. And so you double down: lend to 200 of the same quality borrowers instead of 100.

Doing this, the risk of losing more than 13% of your money during a severe recession, before interest, falls to 0.1%. That's a lot better.

We're making some fierce assumptions in calculating all these odds, so the chances of losing that much money are probably even lower. This example is simply an extremely bad scenario for you to work with. After all, investors (including those of us doing P2P lending) should invest with a “large margin of safety”. (See 4thWay's 10 Principles Of Investing.)

Reserve funds are on top of that

Now, on top of those rough odds, you can factor in other things, such as reserve funds to cover expected losses, insurance to cover bad debts when borrowers are made redundant in a recession, and other protections offered by P2P lending sites.

Plus, you do earn interest on the good loans, and on the bad ones before they turn bad. Remember that a loan can only turn bad once, but most of your good loans will earn you some interest for several years.

How many loans do you need to lend in?

RateSetter's CEO has said that, to him, P2P lending is not about protecting against 1-in-100-year recessions. Yet that's his opinion, because that kind of extreme event is precisely what 4thWay likes to plan for and it incorporates that into its PLUS Ratings and Risk Scores.

Ultimately, it is up to you how much risk you want to take on.

But doing some rough, but tough, sums, based on 4thWay's standards, we can probably loosely categorise the number of loans lenders need to have a large margin of safety during a severe recession. Here we go:

 4thWay Risk Score No. of loans required Rough estimated results through a recession
Secured loans with Risk Score of up to 4 <30 0.1% chance of 10% loss
Unsecured loans with Risk Score of up to 4 200 0.1% chance of 10% loss
Unsecured loans with Risk Score of 6 or 7 300 1% chance of 20% loss

4thWay Risk Scores are based on a very-tough-bordering-on-mean version of the international “Basel” stress tests that banks are required to do on their own loans, and factor in the type of lending, bad-debt performance, reserve funds and other factors.

The table above goes up to a risk score of 6/10, since that's the limit to risk that we think most lenders would consider appropriate. Risk Scores of 7 and upwards represent risks that we calculate are either at, or approaching, stock-market levels, and are therefore probably not suitable for most lenders.

You might be willing to take more risk and that is perfectly acceptable, but you need to decide in advance what is acceptable to you and stick to it, especially during times when other amateurs and experts around you lose their minds. That happens an awful lot in investing.

It's quite simple really: if in doubt, don't get greedy. Stick to your lines in the sand and be proud that you're thinking for yourself instead of being another sheep.

Just to stress that, despite the skills, data and knowledge behind 4thWay, the number of loans that are estimated in that table is not some kind of guarantee. As 4thWay gets even more data, we hone those estimates further. Also, statistics and what happens in the real world are not always aligned.

5 ways to diversify even further

All the above assumes you just put your money into one P2P lending site just as a severe recession crashes down on you.

However, to diversify, improve your returns and lower your risks an awful lot further, you can use these five additional, solid techniques:

  • Drip your money in over many months to spread across more borrowers.
  • Re-lend your money consistently, including before and after a recession.
  • Select lower-risk borrowers.
  • Lend to different types of borrowers at multiple P2P lending platforms.
  • Use other types of investments and savings products as well.

Where to get started in spreading your risk

To get started in spreading your money across lots of loans:

Finally, here's a chart, not based on a real P2P lending site, that shows the kind of spread of results you might expect. It is based on lending to unsecured business borrowers. Higher-risk lending would have a wider spread of results. Lower-risk lending a smaller spread, with less chance of negative results.

This was part ten of our ten-page P2P lending guide

Independent opinion: the opinions expressed are those of the author and not held by 4thWay. 4thWay is not regulated by the ESMA or the FCA, and does not provide personalised advice. The material is for general information and education purposes only and not intended to incite you to lend.

Experts, journalists and bloggers who conduct research and write articles for 4thWay are subject to 4thWay's Editorial Code of Practice. For more, please see 4thWay's terms and conditions.

The 4thWay® PLUS Ratings are calculations developed by professional risk modellers (someone who models risks for the banks), experienced investors and a debt specialist from one of the major consultancy firms. They measure the interest you earn against the risk of suffering losses from borrowers being unable to repay their loans in scenarios up to a serious recession and a major property crash. They assume you spread your money across hundreds or thousands of loans, and continue lending until all your loans are repaid. They assume you lend across 6-12 rated P2P lending accounts or IFISAs, and measure your overall performance across all of them, not against individual performances.

The PLUS Ratings are calculated using objective criteria that can be measured and improved on over time, although no rating system is perfect. Read more about the 4thWay® PLUS Ratings.

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Wellesley’s P2P lending rates appear higher on its own website than on 4thWay®.

This is because we calculate Wellesley’s interest rates the same way most other P2P lending websites do. We do this so that you can compare the rates more easily and so that they show a more accurate picture of what you’ll earn.

Important information before you visit Wellesley & Co.

Wellesley & Co. is primarily a P2P lending website.

But, when you visit the Wellesley website, you’ll see that it also offers “bonds”. Unlike its P2P lending service, its bonds don’t allow you to lend directly to 100+ borrowers.

Instead, you lend to Wellesley and it lends to other borrowers.

We have not risk-rated either of those bonds, but we expect that their structure makes them more risky, particularly because you’re lending to just one borrower.

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Why are Wellesley’s interest rates different?

Wellesley’s P2P lending rates appear higher on its own website than on 4thWay®.

This is because we calculate Wellesley’s interest rates the same way most other P2P lending websites do. We do this so that you can compare the rates more easily and so that they show a more accurate picture of what you’ll earn.

Important information before you visit Wellesley & Co.

Wellesley & Co. is primarily a P2P lending website.

But, when you visit the Wellesley website, you’ll see that it also offers two “bonds”, one of which is available as an ISA.

Unlike its P2P lending service, neither of these bonds allows you to lend directly to 100+ borrowers.

Instead, you lend to Wellesley and it lends to other borrowers.

We have not risk-rated either of those bonds, but we expect that their structure makes them more risky, particularly because you’re lending to just one borrower.

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Why are Wellesley’s interest rates different?

Wellesley’s P2P lending rates appear higher on its own website than on 4thWay®.

This is because we calculate Wellesley’s interest rates the same way most other P2P lending websites do. We do this so that you can compare the rates more easily and so that they show a more accurate picture of what you’ll earn.

Important information before you visit Wellesley & Co.

Wellesley & Co. is primarily a P2P lending website.

But, when you visit the Wellesley website, you’ll see that it also offers two “bonds”, one of which is available as an ISA.

Unlike its P2P lending service, neither of these bonds allows you to lend directly to 100+ borrowers.

Instead, you lend to Wellesley and it lends to other borrowers.

We have not risk-rated either of those bonds, but we expect that their structure makes them more risky, particularly because you’re lending to just one borrower.

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This is because we calculate Orchard’s interest rates the same way most other P2P lending websites do. We do this so that you can compare the rates more easily and so that they show a more accurate picture of what you’ll earn.

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Why are Wellesley’s interest rates different?

Wellesley’s P2P lending rates appear higher on its own website than on 4thWay®.

This is because we calculate Wellesley’s interest rates the same way most other P2P lending websites do. We do this so that you can compare the rates more easily and so that they show a more accurate picture of what you’ll earn.

Important information before you visit Wellesley & Co.

Wellesley & Co. is primarily a P2P lending website.

But, when you visit the Wellesley website, you’ll see that it also offers “bonds”. Unlike its P2P lending service, its bonds don’t allow you to lend directly to 100+ borrowers.

Instead, you lend to Wellesley and it lends to other borrowers.

We have not risk-rated either of those bonds, but we expect that their structure makes them more risky, particularly because you’re lending to just one borrower.

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